Posts Tagged ‘upstream’

Python 3 recently introduced a nice feature – subtests. When I was putting subunit version 2 together I tried to cater for this via a heuristic approach – permitting the already known requirement that some tests which are reported are not runnable be combined with substring matching to identify subtests. However that has panned out […]


A while back mdz blogged about challenges facing Ubuntu and other Linux distributions. He raises the point that runtime libraries for Python / Ruby etc have a unique set of issues because they tend to have their own packaging systems. Merely a month later he attended Debconf 2010 where a presentation was given on the […]


Ok, so micro rant time: this is the effect of not taking things upstream: hardware doesn’t work Out Of The Box. Very briefly, I purchased a Vodafone prepaid mobile broadband package today, which comes with a modem and SIM. The modem is a K3571-Z, and Ubuntu *thinks* it knows how they work (it doesn’t). So it […]


As distributors we should not discourage upstreams that wish to generate binary packages themselves, rather we should cooperate with them, and ideally they will end up maintaining their stable release packages in our distributions. Currently the Debian and Ubuntu communities have a tendancy to actively discourage this by objecting when an upstream software author includes a debian/ directory in their shipped code. I don’t know if Redhat or Suse have similar concerns, but for the dpkg toolchain, the presence of an upstream debian directory can cause toolchain issues.

In this blog post, I hope to make a case that we should consider the toolchain issues bugs rather than just-the-way-it-is, or even features.



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